加密飞行 Vol.4 | 技术精神的“回归故里”：Careculture＆Toby Shorin

💡Editor's note/编者按

在Pop-up city见到项目方展台和DJ，你可能不会感到惊奇；但如果换成一座流动的诊所呢？Toby Shorin正是一名希望带人们重返健康的治疗师。近年来显学学科的转变已经证明，本世纪的人类或许普遍像Eggy所说的那样”需要治疗“，从匮乏回到繁茂，寻找精神的充盈状态。这让我们想到，对古希腊人来说，疾病不是一种真实的状态，而是对健康的匮乏；医学并不是健康的主宰，而是寻求怎样生成健康。今天对Web3和太阳朋克的种种实践，是否正在将我们引领向一种更加健康与超然的觉醒状态？

At a Pop-up city, encountering project booths and DJs might not surprise you—but what if it were a mobile clinic instead? Toby Shorin is precisely the kind of therapist who hopes to guide people back to a state of well-being. In recent years, shifts in prominent disciplines have suggested that humanity in this century might, as Eggy puts it, universally "need healing." From scarcity to abundance, we are searching for a state of spiritual fulfillment. This reminds us that, for the ancient Greeks, illness was not a real state but a lack of health; medicine was not the master of health but a means to generate it. Could today’s Web3 and Solarpunk practices be leading us toward a healthier and more transcendent state of awakening?

此文是「加密飞行」专栏首辑访谈策划的第三篇，来自友邻社区 SocialLayer 的 Eggy 和 Jiang。作为一群经常在各地巡游的 “飞行员”，他们所带来的独特视野，正是「加密飞行」所想要展示的：一群从过去降落，置身于此刻，并渴望着挑战和探索更好未来的远航者。我们期待着这种展示，能够飞跃语言与物理距离的障壁，成为未来加密公民同现实之间的桥梁。

This article is the third in the first series of interviews for the "Crypto Flight" column, curated by the SocialLayer community members Eggy and Jiang. As a group of "pilots" often journeying across different places, they bring a unique perspective—exactly what "Crypto Flight" aims to showcase: a group of voyagers descending from the past, living in the present, and yearning to challenge and explore a better future. We hope this showcase can transcend barriers of language and physical distance, becoming a bridge between future crypto citizens and the realities they face.

Social Layer × Uncommons
Reporter: Eggy＆Jiang
Translator: Loxia
Edit: 0614

「加密飞行」(Crypto Flight)

「加密飞行」(Crypto Flight) 是 Uncommons 的人物访谈专栏，围绕活跃在以太坊及加密世界一线的先锋个体，记录加密现实，生产多元视角，将交谈和日常语言作为方法，化约发生在彼处的遥远真实。取自 Antoine de Saint-Exupéry 的 Vol de Nuit(长夜飞逝)，象征密码朋克与加密公民飞向世界尽头的挑战和探索精神。

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"Crypto Flight" is a series of interviews by Uncommons, focusing on pioneers active in the Ethereum and crypto world. It documents the reality of the crypto space and produces diverse perspectives, using conversation and everyday language as methods to distill distant and far-off truths. Inspired by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry's Vol de Nuit (Night Flight), it symbolizes the challenge and exploratory spirit of cypherpunks and crypto citizens as they venture to the ends of the world.

This column welcomes submissions and is open to recruiting interviewers and translators. Feel free to contact via WeChat: RealUncommons to submit your work or start a column on a topic you are passionate about and interested in.

本文为《加密飞行 Vol.4 | 技术精神的“回归故里”：Otherinternet＆Toby Shorin》的访谈节选。
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Toby Shorin
Co-founder of Care Culture
Co-founder of Otherinterenet Research Institute

Reporter：Eggy
Ph.D Candidate in Design for Social Innovation 
Co-founder of Social Layer

公共空间的网络
The Network of Public Spaces

Toby

I'm interested in pop up cities because I'm interested in different ways communities and subcultures and like internet scenes try to find common ground in your life, and this is one way they're trying to do that. One of the other things that I’m researching is mental health and wellness communities. In those communities, people do body practices and practices you do in dialogue. I think there's a huge wave of interest in wellness and mental health happening right now. And I think part of that is because there is a desire to move from internet-based lifestyles or subcultures to IRL. There have been a lot of internet kind of cult diets like the Ray Peat Diet that now find ground in actual physical practices, and not just diets but like other kinds of body practices get added to that lifestyle.

我关注Pop-up city，因为我对如何让社区、亚文化和网络群体找到公共空间的不同途径很感兴趣，Pop-up city也是尝试之一。我现在所研究的另一种方式是心理健康和保健社区，这些社区有不同的实践，比如身体练习和对话练习。人们对心理健康和保健的兴趣在迅速增长，我认为部分原因是人们渴望从网络生活方式或亚文化中转向现实生活。现在网络上有很多“信仰饮食”，比如Ray Peat Diet，它们现在已经不再仅仅是饮食，还涉及其他的身体实践，进而变成了一种生活方式。

Eggy

They are kind of a very niche network, but people trying to connect with each other together and like asking the general public to get involved in this.

像是一种很小众的网络，但人们试图连接在一起，并吸引大众的参与。

Toby

Ice baths are an example. Originally, they were just an internet meme, but they became really popular online after being promoted by figures like Joe Rogan and Andrew Huberman. Now, doing cold baths has become a way to signal that you're a certain type of person. Places like this (Edge City) incorporate it into what they're doing, and it becomes a cultural Schelling point. This is what I mean by body practices being one of the ways in which internet cultures try to find shared ground in real life.

冷水浴就是一个例子，最初它是一个 meme，后来因为 Joe Rogan 和 Andrew Huberman 的宣传而变得特别流行。现在做冷水浴成了表明自己分类的一种标志。所以这里（Edge City）把它融入活动中，并使之成为一种文化上的“协同点”。通过身体实践，网络文化试图在现实生活（In real life）中找到可分享的立足点。

Web3：一场精神觉醒
Web3：A Spiritual Awakening

Eggy

You’ve done a lot of research on intentional communities in the past. How do you think researching them compares to actually getting involved in one? Do you have any new insights into this concept?

你之前做过很多关于意向性社区的研究，那么你觉得做研究和亲身参与这样的环境有何不同？有什么新的见解吗？在这种参与式研究后，有没有对这种社区有新的思考？

Toby

To be honest, I call myself a researcher because I write rigorously, think deeply, and do extensive desk research. However, my article on Vitalia is more of an experience report than traditional research. I paid more attention there since I intended to write about it, acting as both participant and observer. Here, I’m focusing solely on participation without observing as much. Participating feels different from observing and evaluating, which I enjoy because it helps articulate specific insights that aid understanding. However, observing can limit full immersion, right?

我称自己为研究者，因为我写作严谨、思考深入，做了大量案头研究。但我在 Vitalia 写的文章更像是体验报告，而非传统研究。那时我会更有意识地观察，因为我既是参与者又是观察者。但在这里我只专注于参与，不怎么观察。作为参与者的感觉与观察和评估不同。虽然我喜欢评估，因为它能更清晰表达一些见解，但观察有时会妨碍全身心投入。

I’ve long sensed this, but it became clearer here: cultural differences within the tech community. I had a new realization during the death contemplationritual (conducted by Ellie Hain and Ryan Lowe, Edge Esmeralda a healing ritual to experience death). For many in tech, Web3 was a kind of spiritual awakening to the social and moral potential of technology. While it could be due to the exhaustion of the software industry, I believe Web3 and crypto rhetoric stood out from the utopianism of early social media, being more refined and self-driven. Ethereum and even Bitcoin culture embody democratic principles and a liberal ethos.They sparked a revival of these ideas in tech and captured the imagination of a new generation.

现在，我很早就模糊感受到的事情在这里显得更清晰了：科技圈内的文化差异。我在死亡仪式(*Edge Esmeralda中的一个体验死亡的疗愈仪式)中有了一个新的领悟。对许多技术人而言，Web3是一种对技术社会潜力和道德性质的精神觉醒。软件行业的疲惫可能只是部分原因，但我认为 Web3 和加密货币的理念与早期社交媒体的乌托邦主义不同，它更加精炼、自主。以太坊和比特币文化中都有民主原则和自由主义精神，这重新点燃了技术圈内的自由思想，吸引了一代年轻技术人的想象力。

Eggy

Many people who care about society are linked to crypto, while those who talk about human augmentation often relate to AI. AI focuses on concentrating resources on an individual to create a "super individual," whereas crypto emphasizes interdependence between nodes and a relational philosophy where value comes from mutual reliance, not singular computing power.

很多关心社会的人和加密货币相关，而谈论人类增强技术的人往往与人工智能有关。人工智能集中资源在个体上，打造“超级个体”；而加密货币强调节点间的相互依赖，价值来自彼此协作，而非单一的计算力。这是一种关系哲学。

Toby

That makes sense. A few years ago, some said crypto is libertarian and AI is communist, but it's more accurate to say crypto is liberal, and AI is more like authoritarianism, even leaning towards fascism, because AI centralizes resources and control. 

这确实有道理。几年前有人说加密货币是自由主义，人工智能是共产主义，但更准确的说法是加密货币是自由主义，而人工智能更接近权威主义，甚至有些极权主义的意味，因为人工智能集中资源和控制。

技术精神的“回归故里
The "Homecoming" of Technological Spirit

Eggy

Alright, so what do you think is the biggest challenge in creating startup societies or pop-up cities?

那么你觉得创建这种初创社会或快闪城市的最大挑战是什么？

Toby

The biggest challenge is the long-standing meritocratic ethos in tech. The in-person movement is exciting but significantly raises the barrier to entry, such as the need for considerable disposable income to get there, which I'm not too happy about.

In the past, many people lived similarly to crypto, seeing themselves as "citizens of the internet" rather than tied to a specific place. They were open to spending time conversing with anyone who reached out. This openness is one of the most valuable aspects of tech culture, and I hope it isn't lost. A key challenge for this movement is preserving this spirit, as it could otherwise turn into a mechanism reinforcing elitism and aristocratic tendencies in tech. This is the most crucial aspect; everything else is secondary.

最大的挑战是技术界长期存在的“精英主义”。线下参与的趋势虽然很有趣，但却显著提高了门槛，比如来这里就需要相当多的闲钱，我并不认可这些。

过去很多人过活的方式和加密货币很相似，更像是科技文化的早期娱乐用途。人们会认为“我是互联网的公民，而不是某个特定的地方的公民。”所以任何给我发邮件的人，我都愿意给他们一个机会，愿意花一个小时和他们对话。我认为这是科技文化中最有价值的部分之一，我希望它不会被遗忘。因此，我觉得这种运动面临的挑战之一，就是别让这种精神消失，因为这些门槛显然会成为精英的强化机制，像是技术中的贵族主义。这是最重要的。

Johnny and Hamdin, my colleagues, who I met at Vitalia who are here doing enlightenment therapy with me. I think we are shocked at how powerfulwhat we're doing is here and how be good of a container this has been for the work and we're already thinking about how we can, whether there's another way to do it, whether we can do this in another place  again or whether we can make this a permanent fixture of San Francisco. So it remains to be seen what exactly we do with it. And over the next month, We'll try to find a shared vision and see if we can build towards that.

I’m not planning to travel the world year-round, but I’m more interested in creating an experience like a preliminary version—maybe a six-month V0.2 in San Francisco instead of one month. We’re essentially spending our own money now but offering valuable experiences. I believe we can find a way to do this while sustaining our lives, which might be the next step.

我和在 Vitalia 认识的同事们正在进行启蒙疗法，我们对在这里的体验感到惊讶，因为这个空间为我们的工作提供了一个很好的场域。我们已经在考虑，是否有其他方式可以继续这个项目，譬如是否能再在意大利做一次，或是否可以将这变成旧金山的一个常设活动。所以对于接下来我们会如何发展，这还有待观察。我们会努力找到共同的愿景，并且一起建设它。

我不打算整年环游世界，但我更想在这里创造一种体验，这将是一个初步版本，比如在旧金山做一个为期六个月的 Vitalia0.2 版本，而不是一个月。我们现在基本上是在自费，但提供的东西却非常有价值。我认为我们可以找到一种既能保证提供好的东西，又能维持生活的方法。

Eggy

So do you think this is also part of the infrastructure in those startup societies?

你觉得这种体验也是“初创社会”基础设施的一部分吗？

Toby

Yes. I mean, it's the spiritual component. It's the healing component. And that's the important part of every culture. I think that's what we're trying to do.

是的，这是精神层面的组成部分，是疗愈的组成部分。每种文化中都包含着这些重要的元素。这正是我们想要做的。

Eggy

Yeah, do you think any other things are missing when we are talking about the infrastructure for those pop up cities and startup society?Maybe scheduling, ticketing and social vouching? What's missing in your mind? Yesterday we talked a bunch with a bunch of tech people to think about maybe in the community we need the vouching system.

你觉得在谈论快闪城市和创业社会的基础设施时，还有哪些东西是缺失的？比如日程安排、票务和社交认证等。我们昨天和一些技术人员讨论，可能在社区中需要一个认证系统，比如我可以认证某个很好的治疗师。

Toby

I don’t think that’s necessary—word of mouth is enough. However, I believe the community currency aspect is crucial, as are opportunities for service, such as volunteer work. We should view these spaces as a kind of internet community with roots, similar to something adjacent to Twitter and tech culture. Now, this has taken shape in a specific location, but that location is one of the wealthiest, most exclusive places in the U.S. It’s a rich town with affluent residents, so in many ways, it remains disconnected from reality. If this becomes permanent, it risks turning into “White Flight 2.0.”

White Flight refers to when white residents moved out of cities in the 1960s to build suburban communities, avoiding living alongside Black residents. That’s what concerns me. Therefore, incorporating a service element is essential. It’s clear that many current projects are purely extractive and do not serve a community. A service element needs to be included to maintain the true spirit of the community.

我觉得这并不是必要的，口碑传播就足够了。不过，我确实认为社区通货这部分很重要，以及志愿服务的机会。我们应该将这些空间视作一种有实体落地的互联网社区，类似于Twitter和科技文化。现在这种社区在某个特定的地方扎根，但那个地方是美国最富裕、最排外的地区之一。这是个富人云集的城市，所以在很多方面仍然与现实脱节。如果这种情况长期存在，就可能演变成“白人逃离城市2.0版”。

“白人逃离”指的是20世纪60年代，白人居民搬离城市，建设郊区社区；他们的目的是不与黑人居民共处。这是我最担心的情况之一。因此，必须融入服务元素。现在很多人正在构建的东西只是提取资源的机器，完全不服务于社区。这是维持社区真正精神的必备要素。

译者注

意向性社区 (Intentional Community)：指为了实现特定目标而共同生活和合作的人群，这种社区通常有明确的价值观和目标。
白人迁徙 (White Flight)：历史上，白人群体由于对种族多样性的恐惧而从城市地区迁移到郊区，导致城市社区的白人比例下降。
行动研究 (Action Research)：一种参与式的研究方法，强调在实践中进行研究并通过研究来推动变革。

全文 Shownote

公共空间的网络
The Network of Public Spaces
一所Pop-up 心灵诊所
A pop-up concept clinic
“至少不像新殖民主义”
“Not in a weird neocolonial setting”
Web3：一场精神觉醒
Web3：A Spiritual Awakening
技术精神的“回归故里”
The "Homecoming" of Technological Spirit
社会工程师们的烦恼
The Dilemmas of Social Engineers

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Reporter: Eggy＆Jiang
Translator: Loxia
Edit:0614

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